Sally Ann Miller

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There may come a time in life when your interest in worldly things declines. And when this happens, you may start to question your business and goals.

The Cambridge English Dictionary describes worldly things as “relating to or consisting of physical things and ordinary life rather than spiritual things”. Examples of worldly things include: material possessions, money, awards, recognition, physical appearance, world affairs, etc.

When your interest in such things fades, it inevitably leads to the following question: if worldly things are no longer a driver for your business then what is?

This is the topic of today’s podcast episode. I discuss how I’m answering this question for myself and provide some guidance on how you can begin to do the same.

What you’ll learn on today’s episode:

  • What are worldly things and why they may become less important to you over time.
  • What to do when you find your business no longer reflects your values or beliefs.
  • The power of the question: how can you participate in what is good and true to you?
  • Preview of changes coming to my group program in September.

Featured on this episode:

Episode 23: Creating Programs That Get Clients Results

Get more information about Business Growth Lab here:


Welcome to Introverts Thriving in Business, the podcast for introverts who enjoy the comfort of her, hate the idea of selling, and want to create a thriving business on their terms. If you’re ready to go from overwhelmed and anxious, to feeling calm and accomplished in your business, then keep listening. I’m your host, Sally Miller.

Welcome back to the podcast! And so, this week I’m talking about a topic, “Worldly Things.” I wasn’t sure what to call the episode today, and I ask myself a question that I love to ask myself all the time and that question is: what is true for me right now? And when I asked myself that, the answer came to me. I wanted to talk about worldly things because the truth is for me right now in life is: my interest, my desire, my attachment for worldly things is declining. And this has led me to have questions about my business and my goals and my business. So, that’s what this podcast is about.

The episode is not going to be for everyone. I think it’s probably for two kinds of people. Those of you who also are struggling with these questions, perhaps you’ve been having thoughts around you’re no longer interested in consumerism or this success culture we live in, or your attachment, your desire to make money, or create or accumulate wealth. You might have been questioning some of these things, and I believe you’re going to find this episode very helpful because I’m going to share with you extremely candidly, some of the questions I’ve been having in my business, some of the struggles and how I am going forward and resolving those for myself. And I’ll leave you with some practical ways that you can ask yourself similar questions.

And this episode is also for the people who are just curious about how my business is evolving and why? Before we go on, I want to be really clear that I’m not labeling worldly things as a ‘bad’ thing, it’s just something that’s changed in my life. There could be several reasons for that, a couple are probably… it’s just a time of life thing. So, I’m 51, I am entering or close to entering that third third of life as they call it, where I’ve moved out of that accumulation phase and that success-oriented phase in life, and I’m going into a different phase, a different stage.

And the other possible reason is a deepening in my Faith, that’s been taking place over the last year. Now, faith, religion, spirituality is not a topic I discuss on this podcast. For the most part, I don’t believe it is necessary or relevant to business and this podcast, but I do believe it has a relevancy to today’s episode. So, while I’m not going to be talking more about my faith or about religion, I did want to put it out there that a deepening in my faith is probably one of the reasons or the drivers for why I started to question some of my values, my past values and my past interest in business. And you’re probably not even surprised that I’m discussing this topic today, because many of the recent episodes on this podcast have been on similar and related topics. So, the series that we did on False Self or Ego Versus True Self, and the discussions I’ve had on today’s success culture and how school and the culture we live in is creating a certain kind of human, but it happens to be that I no longer resonate with that and that messaging. So, like I said, this episode isn’t for everyone, but do stick around, whether you share the same questions and struggles in your business, or if you’re just curious and want to know what’s happening in my business.

So, what do I mean by worldly things, let’s start with a definition. Here’s what the Cambridge English dictionary says: “It’s relating to, or consisting of physical things and ordinary life rather than spiritual things”. So, you can see from that definition, of course, there’s nothing wrong with physical things and ordinary life. I mentioned earlier that one of the drivers for me is probably entering this third third of life. So, when your first third of life is really your childhood and your young adulthood, is more focused on growing and developing as a person, forming an identity, discovering and exploring the world, deciding who you are in the world.

And then that middle third is where typically most of us are focused on acquiring wealth, acquiring security for ourselves, for our children or for our families, making a mark on the world. It’s quite natural as a human that we go through these phases, and like I said, “I suspect that I’m kind of entering that third third of life, maybe a little early, where these things are of less of a focus and spirituality is becoming more of a focus”. So, Cambridge English dictionary, again, talks about worldly things as: relating to, or consisting of physical things and ordinary life rather than spiritual things.

So, some examples of worldly things, just so we’re all on the same page are: material possessions, like cars in your home, clothes spending money on vacations, second homes. Acquiring these things. It can be money, money in the bank investments, a lot of this very much security focused and wealth building, it can be award and recognition, I think. I think awards and recognition and having your identity affirmed or confirmed, also falls under worldly things. The world of social media really feeds into that, by the way, this idea of likes and how much engagement you’re getting. I think worldly things can also include physical appearance, remember it’s physical things, material things, things you can touch and see in ordinary life.

And like I said, an interest in all of that is not bad. And in fact, there’s a time of life when it’s quite natural, that it’s your focus. But what’s the challenge? If for whatever reason your attachment or desire for worldly things is lessening, it brings up questions in your business. If worldly things are no longer a driver for your business, then what it is? And how do you also reconcile what you’re doing in your business with what you believe. Now that second part about reconciling what you’re doing in your business with your values, is something I’ve already talked a lot about on this podcast, especially the episodes around true self and false self, and allowing your true self to guide you. Also, the episode on simple selling, where I define selling as: selling in a way that aligns with your values. That’s very much about reconciling what you do or how you do things in your business with your values or with your beliefs or with who you are right now, with your true self.

But then the other part of this equation is, was even your motivation? What is your driver? If it’s not to accumulate money, if it’s not even to have a physical impact in the physical world or to help other people accumulate money for example: if you look at my business, if it’s not for recognition, or a desire for confirming an identity and confirming yourself as a person or a CEO or a person of success, if it’s not for success reasons, then why even be in business? That’s the struggle, or should I say, the question that I’ve been asking myself?

Something else to note is some of you will recognize this in your lives is in fact at different phases in your business, I think this will occur for everybody because we do change and evolve. And the self, the version of you that built the business that you have now, as that self changes, you will find that you no longer resonate with your business, which is what’s happened for me. By the way, I would say it’s not my entire business, all right? But it’s the underlying driver of what do I believe and why am I doing this? Alright? It’s really important, I think to always be acting in accordance with yourself, to be in integrity, to feel like you are acting in alignment with your true self.

So, I’ve tried to solve this—I don’t want to call it conflict but it’s kind of a conflict by making incremental changes to my business and program. And I’ve shared some of that on this podcast. When I talked about the follow up to simple selling and how I was changing my sales approach. Those people who are my students inside my group program have seen me make incremental changes inside the program. But there’s still a mismatch. And in fact, two weeks ago, I recorded an episode that was talking about one of those mismatches. I talked about how we can do better in online business, I called it: “creating programs that get client results that is relevant to anyone with the business, anyone who is in delivery, who cares about actually creating the results, delivering on the promise they give by the way,” That was part of it.

And I shared some ideas on this exact topic, but I still found myself questioning, what am I teaching? Found myself questioning the whole world of success and coaching and personal development; still wasn’t fully resolved for me. But I am following through on everything I discussed on that podcast episode about making changes to my own program, because I think this is an important piece for me. What does still motivate me is helping others get results that feel aligned to them. And they don’t obviously don’t share the same values as me, but I really want to help people be in alignment, be in integrity, and that means building businesses where we do create results for our clients.

So, where to go from here? I promise to give you some—if you’re similar to me— some practical steps you can take to resolve this conflict if you’re experiencing it. And this is what I suggest you do, and this is what I’ve done is: start by answering questions. Yes, I love questions. Powerful questions are so helpful to get clarity for yourself. What I always like to do is go to a quiet place, grab my journal, probably a cup of coffee too, or a glass of water and ask myself some good questions and just journal, write about what comes up.

And here’s the question that I suggest you start with is: what do you value? Or to put it another way, what is good and true to you? And I’ll share my answer. What came up for me, was serving others as best I can, that’s what ties back to that previous podcast episode on creating programs that get client result. This is still what’s important to me, serving others as best I can, that hasn’t gone away. The fact that I’m no longer attached to getting recognition for serving people or for making money or whatever, all that stuff, it doesn’t change the fact, I still want to be showing up in service, but not just that, at the best level to continually getting improving and getting better at doing that.

You answer that question for yourself—and no judgment. Don’t ever judge yourself what comes up, be really honest. What is good and true for you? And then the follow up question, which is where you’re going to get a little more practical is, okay, how can you participate in what is good and true? How can you participate more in what is good and true? So, for me, how can I participate more in serving my audience at the best level, highest level I possibly can. And some of the answers I’ve already shared on the previous podcast episode on getting client results. Some of the other answers I’ve come up with is, having an accessible community where all genuine seekers can get help. And what I mean by accessible is for some people, Business Growth Lab is not accessible because of the price point. It’s a four-figure program, so it’s not a super expensive program but it’s definitely not affordable to all of my readers who may have read one of my books or subscribe to my email list. I want to have a space, a safe space where more people can come and get the kind of help that I can provide because I do have a wealth of business experience, online marketing, strategy, and I have a certain skill set that I can share with other.

And Business Growth Lab in its current form is awesome, by the way, but it does exclude some people based on price, first of all, and also some of the teachings within my program has come from a past version of myself. So, whilst they’re effective, there’s now something different, something new or slightly different. It’s not radically different inside of me that is not expressed in that teaching. So, there is a new version of the lab that’s coming, that’s going to be much more aligned with the message of this podcast episode and recent episodes on this podcast. And it’s also going to be more accessible to more people based on price, and it’s going to be very focused on getting results.

I am not interested in helping people or teaching people and having them just passively read my books, passively consume my content and not act on it. This is going to be radically different to any other program out there. This is so important to me, is going to be results-focused, it’s going to be project-based, I’m going to be asking people who participate in this new version of the lab. And if you’re listening, if you’re one of my existing students, you get all of this for free as always. You’ll always get new iterations, new versions, new experiments. If you’re in the lab, you know why I talk about experiments all the time, all we do is run experiments, this is another experiment, you get all that for free. But I want people in there who serious about taking action and actually launching their businesses and creating results.

So, if you’re interested in that, it’s coming, as I have said, in September, early September. Get on my email list, go to, you can read some high-level information on the sales page there, but that is in transition. It’s not cast in stone right now, but get on my email list and you’ll be the first to hear when I open doors to this new version of Business Growth Lab. And in the meantime, I also want to just keep giving generously of my time to all of you. I welcome emails from anyone who wants to continue this conversation may be one on one or in private, you can always email me, and let’s talk. I’d love to hear what you think about this topic. So, to conclude, how about you ask yourself this question? How can you participate more in what’s good and true for you? Okay guys, I’ll finish up here. I’ll see you next time.

If you’re ready to thrive in business, I want to invite you to join Business Growth Lab. This is my group program where I teach you the exact process I and my students have used to grow profitable businesses we love. When you join the lab, you get lifetime access to everything you need to grow a six-figure business, the training, expert coaching, accountability, and community. The approach we take is scientific. We don’t dabble in business, and we don’t waste time. You’ll create your business on a solid foundation, using proven methods. To join, go to We’ll see you inside.


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